“后司街夜谭”第二场对谈记录：天台新城的前世今生

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">“后司街夜谭”第二场于</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">10</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">月</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">27</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">日（上周五）夜十点按时举行。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">夜谭主话题：天台新城的前世今生</span><span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-tab-count: 1;"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </font></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">分论点：</span><font face="Times New Roman"><br/>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<span lang="EN-US"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>1. </span></font><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">为什么要建天台新城</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>2. </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">除了政绩……</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </span>3</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">．有正面作用吗——城市经营的困局？</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 63pt; mso-char-indent-count: 6.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">4</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">．一个房地产项目——阴谋论式解读</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 63pt; mso-char-indent-count: 6.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">5. </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">透支一代人的下半生——新城的设成本的另一种算法</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 63pt; mso-char-indent-count: 6.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">6. </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">新城的环保——还是焚烧、填埋</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 63pt; mso-char-indent-count: 6.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">7. </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">从万顷良田到钢筋水泥——开发还是游戏？</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 63pt; mso-char-indent-count: 6.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">8. </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">投资开发——拉动内需还是吸引外资？</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 63pt; mso-char-indent-count: 6.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">9. </font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">亡羊补牢？——降价、优惠政策、培植市场</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">主持：老虎</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">嘉宾：无铭、向左向右</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">列席：王坏人、郑鸣谦、淡如水、</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">Qsy</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">记录：</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">Abracadabra</font></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">本次夜谭就天台新城的历史与现状作了一定的探讨，并重点对新城目前各方面存在的问题进行了交流，具有一定的挖掘深度。当然，由于相关人等并未掌握详细完整的数据资料，因此所持之观点可视为一家之言，供有兴趣者参考而已。而因为时间原因，很多方面也没有具体深入地敲打下去。</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;<p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt; TEXT-INDENT: 21pt; mso-char-indent-count: 2.0; mso-char-indent-size: 10.5pt;"><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">夜谭的一个作用就是抛砖引玉，希望各位街民在阅后积极发表自己的相关看法。</span><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman">&nbsp;</font></span><span style="FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">另，关于第三场夜谭的话题，也请各位街民提供建议。确定后，会在周四晚提前预告，</span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span lang="EN-US"><font face="Times New Roman"><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp; </span><span style="mso-spacerun: yes;">&nbsp;&nbsp;</span></font></span></p><p><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: 宋体; mso-ascii-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-hansi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-bidi-font-size: 12.0pt; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-US; mso-fareast-language: ZH-CN; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA; mso-bidi-font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;;">在此特别感谢一下无铭同学的临时加盟。本次夜谭原定邀请的两位嘉宾因故未能出席，无铭同学眉头也不皱一下地就担当了嘉宾的辛苦打字工作。主持人老虎同学聊到半夜三更，第二天一早就赶去南京出差了，敬业精神令人敬佩滴。同时也感谢其他各位嘉宾与听众的热心参与。</span></p>

一诺千金

<p>哈哈</p><p>老顽固！</p>

褚留香

<font size="4">下次邀请一个农民和一头猪做嘉宾，最能代表老百姓真实思想，哈哈。</font>

老虎

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>俺想做头猪</i>在2006-11-1 23:28:00的发言：</b><br/><p>再看夜谈，似乎应该改名，改成十问新城Ｘ大罪。</p><p>主持人的问话有失公道</p><p></p><p></p><p></p></div><p></p><p>先是谈了新城的正面效应的，嘉宾们或觉得几乎没有什么正面效应，或者无法自圆其说。</p><p>每个人都能表达自己观点的自由，只要自圆其说。</p><p>至于公道不公道，每个人看法不同。</p>

老虎

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>俺想做头猪</i>在2006-11-1 23:32:00的发言：</b><br/><p>下次不要叫夜谭了，还说要学锵锵三人行，缺乏自我批判精神的就不要当主持，不然夜谈就成了夜间批判会。</p><p>还是学学时事辩论会吧，来个正负两方。一边倒的批判会是吊不起多少人的胃口的。</p><p>（以上言论仅代表本人）</p></div><p></p><p>对观点有不同意见，可以讨论。</p><p>对主持风格有意见，可以批评。</p><p>对于你提出的“缺乏自我批判精神”，请自圆其说。</p><p>谢谢关心！</p>

老虎

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>俺想做头猪</i>在2006-11-1 23:23:00的发言：</b><br/><p>这也许就是中国人的通病，干没人干，说有人说。</p></div><p>发人深思啊！</p>

点点点点

喜欢这样的讨论，对后司街民有了更新的认识，新城有了更新的认识，谢谢大家！

老虎

<div class="quote"><b>以下是引用<i>丁</i>在2006-11-2 9:10:00的发言：</b><br/><p></p><p>我敢保证你们哪位敢站出来说对新城有多了解,又有了解过多少? 了解过哪些方面? 什么前世今生,都是道听途说的"听说"什么什么,如此讨论的论点也只是凭空捏造! 你们哪位有胆站出来说,你做过了哪些了解?</p><p></p></div><p>我去玉湖做过调查，做过笔记，你想看吗？</p>

老虎

<p>诸位请继续提出观点，并予以论证。夜谈不光是几个人在谈，贴出来的目的就是供大家讨论。</p><p>to 丁，麻烦你提供一些材料来给我们以全新的认识可以吗？</p><p>to 小猪，很高兴你有一些决策内幕和对房地产的认识，我们太需要了解了，能透露一下吗？</p>

芋头

喜欢这样的讨论，大家都有一颗关心天台的心，虽然有的说的我也不认同，但这必竟只是个人观点，希望以后多一些这样的讨论